Status Update (all products), New WC Campaign Book, New NB1 Guidebook, Promo card, Address Changes
almost 2 years ago – Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 08:56:21 AM

Hi all,

I hope everyone is well. Apologies this update is a little later than anticipated as I wanted to show you the progress on the Weeping Caves Enhanced Edition and Novice Booster Set 1. Please note also there have been a number of issues with the insert drawings that we have received from Whatz. We have been working with Whatz to iterate the drawings accordingly. 

Status Update  - all products
 

I have tried to show where we are across all the products using the diagram above. As you can see we are either ready to print or in proofing with the vast majority of the files. The outstanding Oranges (In Draft) from top to bottom (by set) are as follows:

Great Sewers EE 
The Campaign Book is being redrafted to harmonise with the Caves Campaign Book we have just completed. The Cards Almanac and Campaign Sheet will also need topped and tailed to make sure they talk to the updated Campaign Book. Please note we await a revision on one of the new Location cards from the artist (hence the yellow).

Deepsorrow
To accommodate the extra height of the card library storage system within the box was revised to be a neck opening system rather than a traditional two piece box and lid. We await the revised box lid prototype from Whatz.
The Campaign Guide requires a final proof to ensure that the read across with the Caves and Sewers Enhanced Edition is consistent.
The Insert requires a further revision. The drawing we submitted to Whatz was based on the foam card physical prototype I shared previously. The drawing Whatz came back with does not work for us because the spacing for card sleeves is not sufficient (based on our experience with the first printing) and it will not store all of the cards, across all the sets (except Pots & Preps). This is a misunderstanding on the part of Whatz and we have asked for a revised drawing.

Potions & Preparations
We need to see a tweaked insert from Whatz, the drawing that came back was marginally different to the drawing we provided and is going through a further revision to ensure everything fits.

Novice Booster Set 1
The new Guidebook is complete. We have moved all of the Adventures from the original Booster Sets and the UKGE Promo Adventure into a new booklet using the bookmark format. We are checking readability but we believe this booklet would actually be better as an A5 than the smaller A6 format we envisaged (it means we can keep to the two page spread per Adventure format as shown below). We will confirm when we see the prototype but if this is the case this will mean moving the Novice Booster 1 set up to the same size box as the Potions & Preps box to be able to accommodate the new larger and easier to read Guidebook. This will of course be done at our cost. The only impact you will see as Backers will be a bigger box and an easier to read book.

Adventure Summary Checklist for Download (New)
As part of the proofing process and making sure we are clear where all the Adventures will exist in the second printing we have created a summary checklist that you may wish to download. This Checklist includes all Published Official Adventures except the 'Saving the Sax' Bonus Campaign we provided during Covid. 
Here is the link to the checklist provided in A4 and Letter format:

Legends Untold Download Centre - inspiringgames

New Caves Campaign Book complete

 I'm very excited to share that the Weeping Caved Enhanced Edition Campaign Guide is now complete!

We have made many small improvements but the main one I want to show you is the Bookmark system for the Adventures that we have now rolled out across all the sets. If you look on the left in the pictures below you can see we have tweaked this so that it also includes Plot cards in the description rather than just in the set up rules (in a similar way to how the Clues are detailed in Deepsorrow). This also gives us the opportunity to revisit those Adventures and where we think there is space and it adds fun we can use the Plot Cards in a more inventive way in some of the Enhanced Edition Adventures. 

On the right hand page you can see we now have flavour text for the pass/fail conditions of each Episode just like Deepsorrow.

A sample of the revised format is below. We think it makes the Enhanced Edition Campaign Guide a real step up from the original but without orphaning that original content. It's been a lot of work to get the Campaign Guide finished. A massive thanks in particular to Vern for helping out with suggestions on the Caves Campaign Book, and to many of for you help on the Core Rules previously. Now that the Caves Guide is done we are embarking on the read across to Sewers and after that point all the books will be proofed and ready to go.

Additional  promo card in Novice Booster Set 1 confirmed

As part of the proofing process I noted that the Tabletop Scotland promo card had not been added into any of the sets yet. We will add this to the Novice Booster 1 set and also the Upgrade Pack. 

Addresses for shipping
We have not locked down everything yet for shipping, please don't panic, addresses can be changed and we will notify you all when we reach this stage.

Wishing you all the best, we will give you an update in a few weeks hopefully when we know more from Whatz on the inserts.
 

Cheers

IG
 

Back up and running, prefinal Rulebook link, rules tweak, insert news, remaining tasks update
almost 2 years ago – Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 05:00:13 AM

Hi folks,
sorry it has been a month later than usual, after my trip into hospital I was not able to do much for a few weeks. I want to say a quick thank you from me to all of you for their kind wishes. I am pleased to say the surgery and recovery went well and I am now pain (and gallbladder) free. We are now very much back on to project Deepsorrow and getting it made.

Core Rulebook proofing
A huge thanks to everyone who provided their time and feedback on the March draft of the Core Rulebook. We have collated the responses and actioned the vast majority of them. The few we have not are largely around what defines a Glossary term or not. Also there was some debate around whether the new Critical Success icon should be 2+ or +2. Having canvassed many opinions we have decided to leave it in its current form.

Rule Tweak on moving to a previous Location:
One important rule tweak came out of the proofing process around moving to a previous Location. We are tweaking this to say the following on p16 of the book:

Move to a Previous Location
You can move to any previously explored
Location that is directly connected to your
current Location, so long as there are no
unresolved Foes or Obstacles between the
Party and the previous Location. Follow
the steps below:

» Set your Pace to March (moving costs T).

» Do not make a Scouting Test. Your
Readiness is set to B Bold.

» If the Location has no Unresolved Foes,
Obstacles or Discoveries in it, skip
straight to the Exploration Phase.

» If there is an Unresolved Foe in the
Location that you return to then do not
make a Surprise Test. Both sides are
considered not to be Surprised.
 

This is important as it will enable you to go back and deal with previously ignored Curiosities, Barriers and even things that Events and so forth have added to the Map. Thematically this really works well for the game too. Imagine finding a locked chest in one Location then a few Locations later discovering a Key. It is now much more efficient to go back and try to open that locked chest if it is of real importance to you.

Setup Rule Tweak
We are tweaking set up to ask you to make the Treasure Deck (where you are using it) before the Adventure deck. This will make sure you have enough non-heavy Loot cards available for the Treasure deck under all circumstances. Please bear in mind though if you are playing with more than one set you will have dozens of Loot items to use, this is a fairly minor point but it seemed a sensible suggestion to adopt.

Updated prefinal Core Rulebook
The updated Rulebook is complete. There are a couple of Fonts that need changed to a header text and we need to add page references in the glossary and credits (these need to be done right at the end in case we change page numbers).  For those that want to see it please find the updated link at the download centre here:

Legends Untold Download Centre - inspiringgames

Any final proofing comments are welcome but we are aware of timing and we would ask you to bear in mind that if something is 'nice to have' we may not adopt it at this stage. However we are trying to make the book as good as we possibly can and if you have any final comments please let us know (preferably via email) at: [email protected]

First impressions from Were Not Wizards
We are still very much circulating the review prototypes. Please find a first impressions review from We're Not Wizards here:
Legends Untold - The Illumination of Deepsorrow - Potions and Preparations Expansion Set - First Impressions Review. - We're Not Wizards (werenotwizards.co.uk)

I feel like we may need to create an 'Old Spice' potion or similar at some point :)

Inserts update
Whatz had the first insert produced but rejected it from their own quality control standards perspective (I have not seen it). We are due to see a revised insert next week we hope and will of course share more when we have something available.

Font sizes
We are trialling a card code font size increase and will revert when we know more. So far it mostly works and means we can increase the Card Code font size by about 50% which massively helps for set up and card filing. There is the odd place where it bumps up against the text and the only way around that is to change those cards manually. We are assessing how many of these we would need to change to see how viable the proposed change is.

Remaining tasks
The Caves and Sewers Campaign books are being prepped for sharing and will be going out shortly (remember these are revisions of the existing books so we are not anticipating 

This leaves the Contents book (again, not much to change) and the Deepsorrow Campaign Guide. I am pleased to confirm that we have two volunteers (Vern and Joshua) to help final proof the Campaign Guide which was a nut I was worried about cracking as there would be spoiler issues. However we have come up a with Baldrick-style cunning plan which will make this work. A massive thanks to you both gents for offering to help here.

To provide some comfort, the main changes I anticipate in the Campaign Guide are checking every single Location reference as we have adopted the revised Location Card Code system since it was originally written.

Timeline
I am hoping we can issue, proof and revise during May in parallel with getting the Inserts and Divider proprotypes back. If this all works we should be able to submit files to Whatz for printing in June hopefully.

Thanks to everyone for their support, help and patience. Please be reassured that all of these changes are being made to ensure you receive the very best products we can give you.

Wishing you and your families all the best.

Cheers
Kev
IG

New Core Rulebook (Draft) A4 format for review and proofing prior to publication
about 2 years ago – Sat, Mar 02, 2024 at 10:26:37 AM

Hey folks, 

at last we have the new Core Rulebook for you to check out!

Please find the link where it is stored at our Download Centre:

Legends Untold Download Centre - inspiringgames

Please note this is a draft format, it remains subject to change and we have a few pages still to finalise (we need to maintain a printable page count so it is not always simple to add or remove just one page).  We would really appreciate your feedback so we can finalise this important book, here are a few things I would like to point out:

Page 9
You can see the tweaked way we are dealing with Test Types now by putting them in the Action Bar. This gives two advantages, firstly it keeps it right there and centre with who needs or may do what in the test. Secondly it gives us that real estate back in the title bar to add in more Keywords which will give you more opportunities to interact with things and even further flexibility on your adventures - just like an RPG style game should be. I'll come back to this in a further update.

Also on page 9 you can see the new Critical Success icon being explained for Party Basic Tests - thanks for your help designing the icon! Note this has also been added to the list of other modifiers on page 17 to make things easier to find.
 

Page 15
Please note the new Card Code and icon system used on the Location cards which helps with gameplay and storage (particularly helpful for those that want to use the new Official Dividers.
 

We have increased the font size on the Card Code and icons considerably on the Location cards to make them easier read. Have no fear, I am off adventuring into the land of varifocals so I totally get why some of you have asked us to increase font sizes where the cards give us the space to do so.

To explain this from left to right (as it does differ from the original Deepsorrow prototype video we shared):

i) Card Set icon on the left (In this case Deepsorrow) - showing you which set it is native to.

ii) Card Code including the two letters relevant to Deepsorrow (in this case ID), but if this was from the original Weeping Caves set it would be WC (hence it does not matter that they do not have a set icon in the first printing cards).

Note the Location card Codes for Deepsorrow now therefore start as ID-LO01 rather than WC-LO16 which was the original plan. This means of course the WC and GS Card Codes for LO16 and up will be used by the new Enhanced Edition Location cards.

iii) An Environment Icon telling you which Environment this Location card is native to (in this case the Sewers) enabling you to mix around cards from multiple sets that have similar Environment cards and then split them back out by native set as you wish.

Page 22

One other thing I would point out here is the tweaked way of showing how to add Environment icons to Location cards from the various Barriers, Trials etc. Note the blow out of the diagram on this page is deliberate just to show you this point, the card itself does not look like this.

Feedback and other stuff

Ideally we are looking to hear any thoughts you have either here or via email ([email protected]) by the 10th of March 2024 so we can keep moving the publication process along. We will of course work on other files in parallel.

Thanks so much for all the well wishes on the last update they are hugely appreciated!

We hope you like the new style of Rulebook, we think it is a clear improvement on the original A5 format and will hopefully make the game easier for all players (existing and new) to find rules quickly and write some adventures of their own.

Wishing you all the very best!

Cheers

IG

Inserts, progress update
about 2 years ago – Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 03:49:24 AM

Hi folks,

hope everyone is well and finding the time to play some awesome games.

Thanks for the positive feedback on the previous update, we think that the UI on the cards is sorted now and can start finalising for production merges.

This month I wanted to give you an update on inserts. In a previous update we shared a pre-production prototype that we made for Tabletop Scotland so that people could see it/ try it etc. and we could incorporate any feedback accordingly. Now that we are getting close to moving all the files into pre-production I am constantly going through big lists of components per set to try and make sure you get the best products possible (both in terms of gameplay and production/ease of use). We are finally in a position to share pre-final insert designs with you.

I appreciate inserts can be a touchy subject, some of you don't use them, some make or buy bespoke inserts - we're aware of this. We also had a number of you get in touch with us saying how much they appreciated the original inserts and indeed showing us creative ways they were being used as card holders during the game among other things. Finally there is of course the eternal query around accommodating card sleeves. What we are trying to do here is give you something which will benefit the vast majority, the designs should accommodate sleeves or not as you desire. We took feedback from the original Caves and Sewers that despite our best efforts some of you could still not fit your chosen brand of sleeved cards in the inserts and had to chuck them. That was a toughie to hear, so we've added a smidge more space in the recesses this time to try and deal with that issue also.

Lot's of images here so let's dive on in.

Deepsorrow Plan of insert and tray (note front is missing from the insert in this picture). This is very similar to the one we shared with you before and received positive feedback both here and at Tabletop Scotland:

Deepsorrow Plan of the insert tray in detail. The only difference to the one shared before is that we have added a another divider in the top most section. There are four of these trays in each set. So this addition swaps out the space at the top left that was big enough to hold half poker cards and splits it in two. The thinking here (as we showed at the convention) is that you can easily store your Shock deck (the half poker cards) vertically in one of the poker card trenches (shown in buff on the diagram above) in front of the poker cards. You then gain 8 (4x2) large token storage spaces which is a much better outcome for you: 

Deepsorrow Elevation of the insert tray. Not an exciting image, but appreciate some people might want to see a fuller set of drawings.

Deepsorrow Birds Eye view of the insert tray. A more useful image, helping you to see the two large and five smaller recesses per tray.

Deepsorrow Plan view of the insert in detail (note front is missing from the insert in this picture). This is the same as before folks.

Deepsorrow Elevation of the Insert shown with front face on. You can see the proposed recesses in front of the poker card trenches to make access easier. 

Deepsorrow Birds Eye view of Deepsorrow insert with front face on. And following the same logic you can see the recess to make it easier to take out the double pokers from within the supporting 'H frame' after you remove the token trays.

Caves or Sewers EE Plan of Insert. This is the first time I have shared anything like this with you. We wanted to go back to the drawing board and see what we can do to make the Enhanced Editions really zing in the insert department. Note the Caves and Sewers EE boxes are the same size and the same insert will be used for both. This time round we have gone with three slightly bigger recesses for poker cards (note the comment above about sleeve tightness) shown in buff on the left. In the middle in blue you can see two recesses for double poker cards separated by a channel in pink. We have added a reinforcing separator in the middle of the pink channel to avoid 'content sloshing'. You can use it for dice and dice, dice and tokens, whatever you wish really. Finally in the dark recesses on right you can see 7x recesses for tokens of various sizes.

Caves or Sewers EE Elevation of Insert (note front is missing from the insert in this picture).This image shows the various thumb recesses that we want so you can access the contents easily. Note the Battlefield will sit on top of the container wells, and then the books can sit on top of the battlefield so that you can access stuff with minimal mess.

Caves or Sewers EE Birds Eye view of insert (note front is missing from the insert in this picture). This lets you see the recesses in better detail. For the container recesses to help make token sorting easier we have designed 3x 24mm x 49mm recesses, 3x 29mm x 49mm recesses, 1x 49 x 49mm recess.

Potions & Preps Plan of Insert (note front is missing from the insert in this picture). This is also new, however probably looks pretty familiar! It is basically the original insert from the Caves and Sewers set adapted slightly. We have increased the dimensions to match the slightly bigger box, giving more space for sleeved poker cards in the 3 buff coloured recesses. The dark spaces are perfect for storing half poker cards in during the game should you wish. Depending on how much you want to use the Potions & Preps set you therefore have columns for Recipes, Poker cards (Gems, Herbs etc), and then resources for each of three key crafting elements (Minerals, Reagents, Plants).

Potions & Preps Elevation of insert (note front is missing from the insert in this picture). You can see from the height here that the half pokers (63mm stored upright in portrait fashion or 41mm in landscape fashion) have a nice wee home.

Potions & Preps Birds Eye view of insert (note front is missing from the insert in this picture). The key thing to point out here is the two poker recesses on the right don't have a full half recess in them (but there is a thumb circle) which is different from the original Caves and Sewers. This is because we are not trying to accommodate a set of double pokers in this set and think you would be better having it as shown with the two double poker cards (Occupations) stored above the rule book. In reality I would imagine many of of you may add the Occupation cards from this set into the Deepsorrow double poker recess in any event.

All of the above is subject to change once we see production samples but we believe we are now in suitable place to get these made - another step forward!

Timings 

Sadly I have had a number of health issues again at the start of the New Year. The support  I have received from Hugh, Scott, Morgan, my family, my friends, and many of you here has been amazing - thankyou! Without boring you with massive details (let's keep it about the game) I am likely to be heading for planned surgery in mid March with recovery thereafter.

For now our focus is getting all the files to Whatz as soon as possible but also in the same high quality state you have come to expect from IG. With the inserts and packaging now sorted it is back to finishing off cards and books.

I will give you a more detailed update on timing in due course but for now I wanted to be open with you that when the files come back from China for eproof checking there may be a period of time that I can not work on IG stuff for a few weeks depending on recovery.

We are trying to make the disruption as minimal as possible and rest assured we intend to get you the very best games that we can make for you as soon as we can folks.

Wishing you all the very best.

Kev, IG

 

Follow up to card changes opinion request
about 2 years ago – Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 09:24:14 AM

Hi folks,

Happy New Year!

thanks so much for all the responses on the previous update they raised some very useful points and we have tried to accommodate as many as we can.

I will respond to them on a comment by comment basis (grouping where sensible) so that hopefully I capture everything and people don't need to flip between the two updates.

Ryan Bird

All great updates.

I think Impale should be bold.

Also, the >=2 for the Party Basic Test... Would it be better if that information was in the line just above the chart (that says party basic test)? And I cannot help but wonder if that info needs a plus sign in it to indicate 2 above the requirement (like >=+2). Just saying >=2 can be interpreted as a roll of 2 (I know, but some people might interpret it that way). Maybe the plus is not really necessary since it is a rule reminder.

IG Response

Yes good point on the >=+2. We have played with the icon and changed it to incorporate this. We also tweaked the tick on the additional Party member to green.

This is the previously proposed one:

This is the revised icon:

On placement we looked at it but have rejected this suggestion Ryan because 1) It would generate another template for LU again and there are already a lot of those to manage. 2) I can see the argument for sure but all the other mods are in the space to the right of the card for every other card type so we would rather keep it there.

See below on formatting.

Vern Peterson

These are good ideas. I know I tend to be quite picky, but the text on two of the new cards seems to allow for more than one interpretation.

On the Fuldreh"n card

Impale: If your Melee Attack result is a (fail) then you must immediately make another Melee Attack with Disadvantage.

Question - what do I do if I roll a (fail) a second time do I make a third Melee Attack? I am pretty sure that is not the intent.

Lizardkin Hatchery

This is the first Barrier that I have seen that is a Party Basic Test. Since it is a Barrier, I get that the Party can choose to go through the Barrier or may ignore the Barrier and continue on. Saying that 'Each Hero may Test' sounds wrong. I know the 'may' is in reference to it being a Barrier, but if one Hero decides to attempt the 'test', all of the Heroes should have to attempt the test, they no long have the 'may' option. I don't have a better wording, but perhaps there is a better choice. Hopefully the rule book already addresses this situation.

IG Response

Impale - no indeed that is the intent. You need to keep making those Melee Attacks until you free yourself. If you are in a Party hopefully somebody can give you Advantage and help you free yourself, if playing Lonewolf you need to be extra wary. Deepsorrow most definitely ups the difficulty/lethality level from Caves and Sewers but remember there are lots of buffs to find which help you also. We just encourage you to be careful which Foes you fight and which ones you run away from. 

The Hatchery - yes this is a very good point. We kicked this about a fair bit and Morgan had the good idea of adding 'Optional' before the test status when used on Barriers. Note we have deliberately not used the same font on the word Optional so that it is really clear to people what is happening. 

Here is the revised card:

We will add extra clarity in the rulebook with the following addition: "If the Party wishes to resolve a Barrier that requires a Party Test then all Heroes must make the Test to resolve it."

Michael Boulton

I think all these changes will improve the cards, giving consistency and also making the game easier to understand. One point I would mention is that if you add symbols then it is important to ensure easyitis for new/casual players to find what they mean.

IG Response  - thanks, yep totally agree we will add these new icons into the appropriate part of the rulebook.

Adrian Teroux, Spectre376, Khula, Korric, Krododil Dundee

Comments from you all on consistency of formatting of keywords.

IG Response 

Some very good points here. And this is where we need to be careful that we don't make all the exsting cards date out of date by applying a new formatting scheme which if we could we would. Specifically what I mean is that yes Keywords should be in bold, no argument there, but we need to be clear that just because some words are in bold on existing cards (look at many of your Talent cards where we highlighted 'Disadvantage' or 'Other Hero' or similar) they are there for emphasis rather being a Keyword like Areten per se.

We think adopting a whole new formatting rule would best wait till Apprentice (if we are successful in that endeavour) but for now want to try and stick to:

italics = flavour text wherever possible. So please note the top most action on the Hatchery There must be... etc should have been in italics before and is now.

bold = A Keyword or a word of importance in the rules when using the cards, something that we want to emphasise so it is clear we are talking about a game term or Keyword proper.

bold italics  = We want to use this for Special Abilities (largely on the Foe cards), to make this distinct hence the treatment of Impale below on the card.

Talking of which, as I looked at this I noticed that the new Deepsorrow Foe cards use the same uppercase font on the Title bar as the other card types but that the Foes in the Caves and Sewers did not. If anything this just shows you that LU needs to iterate, we can not think of absolutely everything on day 1, but can always find simple ways to improve. The Foes from now on will be in the uppercase style shown below as will the reprinted Caves and Sewers cards. This is minor stuff though, we do not think they need to be replaced via an upgrade pack. 

Nakano

Sounds good ideas. Not sure if non-issue in printed cards, but the green highlight in Areten Shrine and Waterfall Climb looks a bit odd in ”may Test either” / ”One Hero may”.

Regarding Critical Success in Party Tests, wonder if all players could just throw their dice first (it will make game easier of course). Anyway this can be house ruled if we see it better/faster that way.

IG Response 

On the green highlight, I had to look properly to see what you mean. Yes it is one of those things that looks more pronounced in the digital version than the print (part of the RGB to CMYK process). This is partly why we have lifted all the lighting levels on the boxes in the reprint. The retailers did say that the boxes could do with being a tad brighter. In terms of the card this is an easy fix - thanks for spotting, the revised card is below, this will flow through onto all cards via the template:

Party Tests. LU is an adventure game and we want to give you that RPG like experience. With that in mind the design intent here is that you do Party Tests one Hero at a time. Gamification wise this means you must use a risk:reward premise to establish the order you do it in - e.g. Hmm my Farmhand is good at climbing he could go first and hopefully get a Critical success so that the Student with vertigo doesn't have to test. Also, my Farmhand did get a lightning bolt in the a$$ from the Student when you Failed in Combat last Turn and I am now on one Health...decisions...decisions... etc. 

Thematically we imagine this as a one of the adventurers throwing the rope across and then calling it safe for the next one to cross etc. Part of the inspiration for this came from an old picture I remember in the Dungeoneers Survival Guide where adventurers were roped together. Please note aslo on the point of ropes etc. Kits are really good for Party Tests, everyone gets to use them and they often have a 2x bonus.

That said, LU is your game, your copy and you can of course house rule to do whatever you want just as you say. It will certainly work the way you propose Nakano.

Greg, Justin, Blodhemn and others

Comments on changes and how they impact original sets and updates

IG Response 

Please note the changes we propose do not make any of the previous cards redundant. This is important as we do not want to orphan anybody's existing sets. 

We want to be able to introduce new things in LU that help improve the game iteratively, and like so many other games (Magic and VTES come to mind to me) this means minor changes to cards but they still work in the same way. This does not mean we can reprint all cards every time we tweak something, that would mean effectively reprinting all the non-hero cards for Caves and Sewers (150 odd cards) and then sending them out to everyone in an upgrade pack which for a tiny company like IG is financially unviable I'm afraid.

However, we totally appreciate we would have no game without you, and we always try our very hardest to keep you on board and go the extra mile to be that friendly publisher that listens. What we propose therefore is that where a change is purely cosmetic (like changing Keywords on a Foe Title card to Uppercase, or changing where it says Table or Staged Test on a card) then we do not reprint - there is no need to.

However where we think something will genuinely improve people's understanding of the rules we want you to benefit from this. With this in mind we think that all of the original Party Basic Tests would benefit from the new icon and where appropriate the revised positioning from the Title Bar into the Action Bar.

At first we thought this was just these cards in Caves:

Box Junction, Chasm, Flooded Tunnel, Island Hop.

And the following Party Basic Tests in the Great Sewers:

Icy Blackness, Sewer Blockage, Water Pit.

However then we noted there is a Party Basic Test on the Lizardkin Lord and then of course on a good number of the Events.

We think we can help you remember stuff more easily here and therefore will add another 23* reprinted cards (covering the Caves and Sewers and Caves EE and GS EE Party Basic Tests) for free to the Update packs accordingly. This is actually quite a big uplift to the Upgrade packs but we think it will help you all learn and enjoy your games more. To clarify, looking at the existing cards right now as I type I would advocate this is 'nice to have' stuff, the existing cards work fine as they are, by no means will those without the Upgrade pack be unable to play their game(s).

*We think it is 23, if we find something else we will let you know of course!

Again, thanks everyone for their feedback and helping to move this forward. I hope you are content that we have moved this in the right direction. We can now adapt the rulebook accordingly and share them with you shortly. While you are looking at the rules we will of course crack on with the other parts of the product so that we can get ready for final assembly and off to Whatz in due course.

Thanks so much for all your help, it helps all of us have a better game to enjoy together.

Cheers

IG